Can you tell us a little bit more about you as designers? How would you describe your artistic practices?

D Wang: While I’m being paid as a graphic designer, I see illustration as the center of my artistic practice. I joke that being a graphic designer for start-ups/DTC brands helps me make the blood money that I then slowly redistribute back to my community. I’ve slowly been emerging from a hiatus from illustration as I had been burned out from the anti-Black, fatphobic, and transphobic commercial priorities of past clients. I’m now learning to prioritize more of my zine and comic work, and create in the complicated specificity of trauma-based narratives.

Chloe: I’ve unwittingly become a blend of designer, researcher, and strategist. I like to obsess over choosing the perfect font for the project as much as I like to obsess over creating an engaging discussion guide. I’m currently working hard to develop a design practice that achieves social justice not just through the work produced, but through modes of collaboration that are collective, equitable, and dignified for everyone involved. We’re at different stages in our careers but we share similar worldviews. Our project with CUP was actually our first formal collaboration together and we’re excited to continue growing individually + together.

2. Tell us about your experience with Public Access Design Fellowship!

Chloe: The Public Access Design Fellowship is a great opportunity to work with an advocacy organization in a way where everyone is bought into the goal of developing beautiful and informative design. In practice, balancing the priorities between design, messaging, and logistics on a project can be really hard. CUP acts as the intermediary and manages that for you, which is kind of a luxury. We found the project collaboration experience invaluable.

D Wang: I also felt like I really lucked out with getting to collaborate with Chloe, who’s an excellent designer and mentor. She was incredibly encouraging when I needed a push to explore more illustration styles, and really helped the art direction come together.

3. You also got to collaborate on a project! What was the most interesting part of working on Your Truth, Your Rights?

D Wang: The most fulfilling part of the project was getting feedback from previously incarcerated transgender, gender nonconforming, intersex and non-binary (TGNCINB) folks. Even as a trans person who spends a lot of time thinking about and drawing other gender nonconforming folks, I found how my own preconceptions of visually representing other trans folks was affected by how I personally present day-to day. For example, after sharing a draft we received feedback that more masc-presenting folks were absent and that it was more affirming to see the trans folks depicted in their everyday outfits rather than uniforms. In the latter case, rather than pursuing the most literal form of representation, what we heard was, This is how I want to be drawn, this is how I want people in my situation to be seen.

Chloe: As designers it was both a challenge and a relief to give more weight to what our feedback providers had to say than that we thought would be more “effective” or “correct.” The challenge is in identifying and setting aside our own design preferences, and the relief is in knowing that our work resonates with previously incarcerated TGNCINB people.

4. How did collaborating with CUP impact your work moving forward?

We’ll both continue to find ways to collaborate with the people impacted by design, no matter the project. And we hope there will be opportunities to do it together!

5. What’s a project you’re working on now, outside of CUP, that you’re excited to reveal soon?

Chloe: 2020–2021 has been a hard year for personal projects—I think we’re both still in survival mode. I’m redesigning my backyard in preparation for what I hope will be many summer days spent with friends and family.

D Wang: I’ve been fortunate enough to move into my first one-bedroom apartment during the pandemic, so a lot of my time has been dedicated to figuring out how to furnish it (and how to create the perfect home for my cat, DouDou). But in the meantime, I’m planning to release some new comics and zines with my publisher, Diskette Press.

6. What is your secret skill that has nothing to do with your design work?

D Wang: I know where to find the best deals in Chinatown when buying groceries.

Chloe: I have really REALLY good taste in clothes.